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I don’t think she is trolling. It is a legitimate course of action for someone who is willing to sacrifice for their children.
Kid is not sporty, smart and motivated.
You are not alone thinking this way but I think no matter the choice, the children will be fine.
I would try that if I were you. The grade is close, Lane has the most seats available for principal discretion, and there are LTAC students leaving, which will create opening.
This is an excellent example of the problem created by CPS scoring. Too many kids gained a false notion of their being perfect, while in reality they could have gotten a fair number of questions wrong in the exam.
CPS scoring is based on national ranked percentile, which is in turn based on statistical likelihood of a student getting a question right according to some mysterious statistics.
If Chicago students are consistent with the national ranking methodology, a ‘perfect’ score, 99% on both Math and English should mean that the student with this score is better than 99% of current student pool.
I estimate 25,000 CPS students are in 8th grade but I don’t know how many non-CPS students also took the test. Let’s say there are 30,000 students in total took the test. Then, there are roughly 300 students with ‘perfect’ score. Among these 300 students, up to 140 applied to Payton, between 90 and 140 applied to Northside, and the rest applied to other schools. That is just a very rough guess. Yes, there are 900 points student who did not get into Payton. There are component scores. 99% in ELA doesn’t mean 99% in Reading, Vocabulary, and Language Arts. It is still tough to get to 99% on everything — even if you get a few wrong.
We get the feeling that there are a lot of kids reporting ‘perfect’ score is because (1) everyone took the test (2) everyone knows the score the same time and early.
It is tough to build an attractive high school.
You need 3 things:
1. updated facility
2. great teachers (principal)
3. motivated students
CPS invests in 1 and 2 but don’t always get 3 for every school.
The current list of SEHS may have 1 and 2 but not always 3.
It is hard to know why. Payton was not top-ranked at the beginning but it rises rapidly to the top. Lane was always good and kept being good despite its size. Maybe someone should study the reason why so that all SEHS become good and the competition becomes less severe.
The point is that tier system is an analog of race based quota. Like you said, tier 1, 2 coincide with black and Hispanic residence. Favoring tier 1, 2 is racism in the purest form.
Nobody said it here before but politicians don’t like to see too many Asian faces in top high schools. You can’t say that these Asian kids don’t deserve the seats. It’s also not without reason that you see higher percentage of Asian kids. They often come from immigrants who have been through grueling journey to get to this country. To these families, the test is not a difficult part. Fighting balant racism like the tier system is.
True tier 1/2 kids may not have as high scores because they do not have the same resources, yet they are naturally bright, just not exposed to the same enrichment opportunities as their tier 4 counterparts.
I am sorry but that is just a myth being perpetuated without proof. SEHS and AC have those placement tests for math. CPS can easily justify its Tier system by using the results of the placement tests and the grades of the students after enrollment. The fact CPS has offered zero evidence despite years of Tier system says something.
I suggest you contact CPS as soon as possible on Monday. Maybe that is why they release the results 5PM at Friday so that they don’t have to take calls from anxious parents.
In the past, CPS is pretty good at admitting students who were not admitted due to its mistake. In the meantime, you can double check the tier of your residence.
https://schoolinfo.cps.edu/schoollocator/index.html?overlay=tier
Change it to income and my wife and I will temporarily separate and have my parents serve as custodial guardians and relinquish parental rights until the selection process finishes. I’m going to do what’s best for my kids. I suggest other parents do the same.
If you are not trolling, I really admire your courage to openly discuss this. Tier system or even system based on income is so easily gamed.
You reek of privilege. To suggest that a family just buy a house on the side to benefit from a lower Tier is exactly what is wrong with what you have done. Most families cannot just buy a 2nd home.
This is exactly what’s wrong with Tier system.
It helps to get lower score students into SEHS, period. The actual students may come from different background.
Even with the Tier system, the ratio of students of Black/Latino background is still lower than the ratio of some politicians desired. So they make the Tier system even more unfair. Since there are loopholes big enough, many wealthy families are taking advantage of this. We may never know the true level of abuse but it does happen.
You benefited your vanity, at the same time doing a disservice to your child. With tier 4 resources, and not making the cutoff score for their own tier, they are underachieving compared to their true tier 4 kids. So, Jones is truly not a good fit for your child, but good luck!
Not sure about that. If this student is not a good fit, then what about other Tier 1/2 students?
I suspect a few families are doing exactly the same thing. I heard two kids of affluent families got into SEHS with scores lower than the Tier 4 cut off. These families are wealthy and own many properties. It would be quite easy to pull it off for them.
Here people are naïve to believe that equity can come from forced quota using Tiers. That only benefits those with sufficient resources and determinations who can game the system.
Yes, it is logistically challenging and requires sufficient financial resources but there are far more people who can pull it off than CPS imagined.
It could be that the Tier boundary has changed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17-oFoFfDOjegY2YA53K3K4Um9dDf7wsz/view
The cutoff of Lane for Tier 3 is just couple of points higher than the average for Tier 2.
For some perspective, 15 Payton kids went to MIT/Harvard/Princeton/Yale/Stanford in 2018. It is quite impressive for a single school in my opinion.
No, I don’t see an option for staying in the current academic center either. I wouldn’t worry about it because we were told that there is a seat for all AC students if they choose to stay.
As to AP courses, it is a none issue in my opinion. One can a class in a university such as UIC if the student chooses. It is not a big deal. I think Payton offers a type of experience that is unique in some way — a type of intangible.
