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Test results are showing up for some students today. List your student’s score and tier if you want to share. or have any other feedback. My child told me they heard of many perfect scores again this year.
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I got 86/99, I live in Tier 4. Is it possible I can get into Lane Tech?
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Your score of 870 was the cutoff for last years Tier 4 students to get into Lane Tech. Definitely possible last year. You’ll have to see what the cut off scores for this year are. If it’s your first choice, keep it as your first choice and see what happens! Good luck!
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I thought 876 was lowest for Lane last year?
Is there a place to find all the schools and their cutoffs from last year?
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We also got 99/99. With so many perfect scores, the tiebreakers are going to need tiebreakers. One single test question will have made all the difference for a lot of students. I wonder if theyll make changes to the process again to get a wider distribution of scores at the top end. So relieved this part is over. Best of luck to all!
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Hello, I was wondering if someone would be able to help me understand my daughters score for the HS as my eldest daughter had a completely different process than my youngest.
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Sure hope an 889 is high enough for Lane. Son loves the music program there.
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I’d imagine his chances are good! Best of luck!
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THANK YOU!!!
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what tier are non CPS students in?
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tier 4
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Thank you. We are tier 3. This is always very stressful.
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My daughter has all As and 99 and 99 on the Selective Enrollment test and we are tier 4. So she has a 900 or the highest score.
So last year, all tier 4 accepted students at Payton had a score of 99 percentile in Math and 99 percentile in Reading and got straight As. AND SOME DID NOT GET IN WITH THIS SCORE (900).
Tie breakers are determined by subscores.
So I guess CPS went back and then ranked those students in the 99th percentile based on how many questions they got correct. This is referred to as the subscores by CPS. (I think).
Where can you see your subscores for those of us whose kids scored in the 99th percentile and got straight As?
Last year was first year that it was 50% test score and 50% grades. Does anyone know if CPS did anything to make the test harder considering there were so many 900s last year?
Finally, what is the break down of the % of students in no tier but just are the top ranked? Last year was 30%. They were going to change it to try and increase more economically disadvantaged kids.
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It is 30% this year too, they’ll change it next year.
I’m not sure about the subscores. You are correct about max scores, there are many with 900 this year too. Four so far in my son’s class, including my son. It will be tough to get a place at Payton or Northside
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The tiebreaker will come down to ELA sectional scores, which per CPS email, “The ELA score consists of 3 sections of the exam – Vocabulary, Reading Comprehension, and Language Arts. These subscores will be viewable in the GoCPS application at a later date.”
Tie breaker guide: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-qWsDpz-xEfADT1moZahaeJ2GSjRazZm/view
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The math score is actually the first part of the tie breaker. Then the reading comprehension is next followed by vocabulary, and finally language arts. CPS said those sub scores will be posted but did not specify when exactly. CPS has also not officially announced whether they are changing the 30% rule as of next year or not yet. The original plan was to do so for this year but then they just kind of dropped it.
My daughter got a 900 as well. She is at Skinner North and many of her classmates received 900s too. We’re in Tier 4. Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out but no doubt all kids will find a good fit. Good luck!
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“Does anyone know if CPS did anything to make the test harder considering there were so many 900s last year?”
The number of 900s has nothing to do with how hard the test is. Getting a 900 means you had straight A’s and scored in the top 1% of all test takers on each portion of the test. There were more 900s last year because, simply, there were more kids who took the test. The larger the overall number, the more kids are going to be in the top 1%.
More kids are taking the entrance exam because they did away with the MAP test. Back when that was in play many kids would take the MAP and then drop out of the process when their MAP scores came back. This led to fewer kids taking the entrance exam, which mean that the top 1% was a smaller number and thus, less 900s.
Frankly I think the effort to “alleviate the testing pressure” by removing the MAP test has instead led to the crazy situation where so many kids are being “ranked” by the difference of a single question on a test. Going back to two tests seems like a truer measurement of ability, but that’s just my opinion.
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My son has all A’s and it says on his score Math 11 ELA 24 with no tier. What does that mean? Did he do bad on the test? I’m so confused on how to calculate this.
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See this CPS doc on the scoring system, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1enfNw17AWpPrLmHsjJe3Qg6ugtCX-9ka/view
Math 11 = 25 points
ELA 24= 55 points.
All As = 112.4 * 4 = 450.
Total = 450 + 25 + 55 = 530
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typo in All As calculation, should’ve been
112.5 * 4 = 450
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99/99 with As for all 7th grade, tier 4.
DD said a couple of her friends also scored 99/99 with all As.
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DD is at Lane’s AC program, FWIW.
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Any thoughts of transferring out? How does she like it there?
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She really likes the school and is leaning towards staying heavily.
In her friend’s group that has taken the HS exam seriously, the majority (75%?) also have said they’d like to stay as well even if they get in elsewhere. However, that was before they all got their score. We all know how teens are.
I’m letting my DD make her final decision but did insist on her taking the test seriously so at least she has the options to make an informed decision.
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Anecdotally, we know two current Lane freshmen who chose Lane over NS and Payton last year, one was a Lane AC alumni, and the other was not.
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While NS or Payton are possible (albeit not necessarily probable because of all the 900s), I think we’re putting Lane on top. Glad to hear she likes it there. 🙂
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My child is also in LTAC, and will likely (its their decision to choose) stay at Lane too.
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Just to clarify: you are ranking Lane first even though you would rather prefer Payron or NS? Why? If your score is not high enough for Payton or NS, you will still get into Lane even if you rank it 3rd. It is always recommended to rank the schools in the order you would prefer them, not in order you think you will have higher chances to get into.
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they’re ranking Lane at top because they love the school based on their experiences. Nothing wrong with that. It is all about finding the best fit for our own child. It doesn’t have to be all about cut off scores and what others think so called “best” school is. The most competitive school to get in is not always the best school for my own child.
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We’ll rank Lane first because it’s our first choice.
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You’ll get Lane as a continuing school offer anyway, so why rank it at all in the SEHS section? If circumstances change between now and the spring, it seems like it would be nice to have another option.
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Agreed. LTAC director actually said that LTAC students shouldn’t even accept admission to Lane high school because it will take away a spot from others. It seems counter intuitive to rank Lane as first choice as a LTAC student.
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Lane AC students were told explicitly not to select Lane HS as part of their application since they’d be internally guaranteed a HS spot as a AC graduate.
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If I understand correctly, all Lane AC students should not rank Lane as a choice for Selective Enrollment right? So pretend they rank any of the selective enrollment schools, get into one, but decide to stay at Lane. If 50% of the Lane AC students decide to stay at Lane, those selective enrollment seats go “unclaimed” and yet, there is no 2nd round for Selective Enrollment schools. Do you think those extra spots may be available for Principal Discretion then? Just curious.
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The only person who said anything about ranking Lane first in this thread does not have a student at LTAC….
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Sorry, with this many replies it’s a messy thread and hard to tell who said what (especially on mobile). I must have misread.
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Updating the thread: DD is telling me that 10+ of her friends at their Lane AC have gotten the perfect scores.
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In my daughter’s school she was the only one who got a 900. Not so sure there will be a bunch of 900s. Need more data points.
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What school is it? If hard to give the name, is it neighborhood school, classic or gifted school? Or private? Magnet?
In academic center, I hear that there are a bunch of 900s, which is understandable. I wonder if there’s more 900 than last year or less.Does everyone see their score? I don’t see mine yet.
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7 kids with 900 scores, so far, in my son’s school, it’s a classical school
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its math. A 900 means you in the top 1% of all applicants.
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From the families I have talked to in our tutoring group we have 5 kids including my own with 900’s. And they all want to go to the same school. 🙂 How do tie breakers work again?
Any help is appreciated.
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The tiebreaker will come down to ELA sectional scores, which per CPS email, “The ELA score consists of 3 sections of the exam – Vocabulary, Reading Comprehension, and Language Arts. These subscores will be viewable in the GoCPS application at a later date.”
Tie breaker guide: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-qWsDpz-xEfADT1moZahaeJ2GSjRazZm/view
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From the CPS guide:
“Order that the tie-breaker is run:
Math Score > Reading Comprehension Score > Vocabulary Score > Language Arts Score
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Wondering if all the 900’s wouldn’t go straight to “rank”? (Not tiers.) Or is it an issue because there are so many it affects all tiers too?
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They’d certainly start in rank but there was a lot of spillover for tier 4 last year. Every tier 4 spot at Payton last year was given to a 900 and plenty of 900s were still turned away. Seems like the other schools had at least a couple spots for those earning less than 900 in tier 4 but with the proposed changes to the process (elimination of rank, giving less spots to tier 3/4, etc), a 900 won’t guarantee you a thing. Relieved these changes weren’t implemented this year.
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when you say “plenty were turned away” I could not find the source of your conclusion on line. Can you tell me how many were turned away and what the source of the data was?
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I am also relieved to hear the “top 30%” is still in place. However, I cannot find anything that definitively says this. Where are you getting your information? Thanks!
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(page 5 if that helps)
Apparently this was also corroborated by CPS during one of their virtual application training sessions.
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Thank you for sharing. Very helpful!
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For those of you who used tutoring it prep programs, could you list what programs or process you used and found successful. I’ve got a kid in sixth grade we’re trying to prepare for this whole process. Thanks!
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BEC
Selective Prep
Individual tutoring
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My kids did not do any tutoring and both had perfect scores, one this year, and one four years ago. From what I have heard from classmates who did the test prep this year, the test prep companies are not particularly helpful with the current test. Of course, as the companies figure out what is actually tested, they may become more relevant.
Things that we did to prepare: both kids took a rigorous algebra class online prior to the test that prepared them for everything on the test with the exception of one or two complicated statistics questions. Both kids read a test prep book and took at least one of the sample tests just to be prepared for a timed test. We used books designed for various private school tests and the SSAT.
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Selective Prep
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Tier 4, 99 math 98 ELA, all A’s.
Also hearing of some perfect scores, my kid could not be more relieved to have options. So glad this part of the process is done.
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All A’s in 7th grade, 88 in math and 92 in the language portion. Tier 4, looks like her choice of Lane is out of the question given our Tier. Such a BS system. As always, disappointed with this city, but also my daughter for doing so poorly on the math part when I know she cold have done better.
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It’s a shame the stakes are so high and the odds so slim. I hope the cutoffs manage to work in her favor.
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Yes, I was never doom and gloom and CPS schools. It all depends on what neighborhood you live in. Our neighborhood school isn’t terrible and I’m sure she will like it. She just really had her hopes set on Lane. Failure is a good lesson to have.
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I”m sure you’ve never had a bad day in you life. Your daughter is so lucky to have an over demanding parent likr you.
Make sure you pile on plenty of mental abuse to compensate for your own shortcomings.
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Thanks buddy. You have no idea about myself or my family.
I doubt you would even set foot in the neighborhood I grew up in, or last a day in the high school I went too. I made it out of there and now my children are punished for my success.
If you knew my daughter you would be disappointed in her score as well. She was capable of better. Maybe nerves got to her, but it doesn’t matter now. I never even put pressure on her at all about this process, and this test doesn’t define her. So take your condescending attitude and worry about your own life.
Yes I do expect a lot for her, and that’s not a bad thing. Worry about how you raise your own kids.
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Your daughter scored in the 88th percentile in math. I would hardly call that performing poorly. Blame the system, not the child.
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Agreed. She’s a smart girl. The disappointment comes form knowing she could have done better, but this doesn’t define her.
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For those who can see their scores, did you take exam on 10/26? I took in Nov and still cannot see my score. I assume mine is not graded yet? And I don’t understand how they can give out percentage scores such as 99 or o7 when there are still students who is waiting to take the test in December??
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No one should be taking the HSAT in December. 11/17 was the make up day for CPS and the non-CPS students had a choice of dates shortly before that. I remember hearing that the 10/26 testers would get results first but have no idea how long the later testers will have to wait. Best to reach out to the office of access and enrollment.
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Oh, I read from somewhere that there’s make up test in Dec.
Office of access and enrollment will be closed for Thanksgiving, so I guess I’ll have to wait to see my score or speak with someone at the OAE after Thanksgiving. Sigh…. I just want to find out the score ASAP!!
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I suppose they could’ve added dates on, who knows. I’m sure you’re anxious for results with everyone else seeing theirs, I hope they pop up soon!
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Just in case you didn’t already try this, you do have to submit the application before the scores are visible under ‘student details’. Good luck!
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It’s probably a nationally normed test, so you’re not actually getting percentiles that reflect your performance specifically relative to the population that took the HSAT this year. The numbers are already pre-determined. It’s the same when you take the PSAT, ACT, etc.
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- My son scored 79 and 99. Straight As 7th grade.
- Tier 3
- Is Lane a poss?
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Definitely a possibility. Total score seems to come to 855. Last year, Lane’s cut score for tier 3 was 844.
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Thanks
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Can someone confirm that rank (top 30%) is still in effect for the fall 2023 entering classes? I guess I thought this was changed but now I’m reading it was not. So just confirming this.
Also – does the 30% apply to each school individually by first choice?
Lastly – anyone know how many 900 scores there were last year system wide?
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The “rank” section is still being used this year. 30% of the seats available at each SEHS will go to the highest scoring students that find themselves in a position to be offered a seat, regardless of how they originally ranked it in their order of preference. E.g if a student with a 900 doesn’t get into Payton and has Lane as their second choice, they could bump a student with an 899 out of a Lane rank spot, even if that second student ranked Lane first. Thats my understanding anyway, if anyone wants to confidently corroborate. Was that what you were asking? Certainly a puzzle with many moving pieces! Dont suppose there’s any way to know how many 900s there were last year. You could estimate a bare minimum by correlating incoming class sizes with posted cutoff scores (e.g. approx 47% of Paytons available freshman seats plus close to 47% of Northside seats, nearly 30% of Whitney Young seats and Jones seats etc had 900) but that’d be a lot of work for a very rough estimation that wouldn’t include the 900 scores of AC students who decided to stay where they were etc …
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How do you know for sure that the “top 30%” system is still being used? Thanks!
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wga73C_TKlceDa-225GTxaf7e6KNSoRL/view
Confirmed in this deck on OAE site, I also e-mailed the OAE office and they confirmed as follows, ‘There will be no changes to this process for the 22-23 application cycle/23-24 enrollment as these changes were not put to a vote/approved by the Board ‘
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Thanks for sharing. Very helpful!
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- tier 2
- Scored 95 on both tests
- 4.o gpa
What schools do you think she can get into?
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That’s an 882 (please correct if my math is off), and last year that could comfortably get you into any SEHS in Tier 2. Cut scores for Payton and Jones were in the 850s, and those programs had the highest T2 cut scores. Congrats!
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Question – We may be moving in the next few months. Would we change our address in GoCPS? Would the application reflect the move if there is a tier change?
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The application cant be edited after the Dec 2nd deadline.
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If you move after the application close date but before offers are sent out, you have to prove both that you lived in the address that you did when you applied and that you currently live in the new address. This is outlined in the documentation on the CPSGO website
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In the FAQ on GoCPS it says the address used for selection purposes cannot be chaged after the application deadline. Only if the original address on the application qualified you for a school (eg Jones CTE) and you move after the fact can you provide both proofs of address to still be able to attend the school you got an offer to.
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98/99 Tier 1. I basically get a free pass anywhere.
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Great job, congrats!
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My daughter score is 792.
She got straight As. Tier 1.
WY was her first choice. Lane is 2nd.
Looks like we missed WY by 18 points. We are opting for PD.
Shes an amazing track athlete, won cps city championship and is great at VB. How hard is PD?
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No telling what the cut scores for this year will be, so you may not need PD, but I’d imagine that track championship could serve as her golden ticket. She’ll also have to convince them that she can weather the academic rigor, though.
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Are the scores percentages ? So if I got 99/67 does that mean I failed math? Is it an F like CPS grading
thank you
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Yes, the scores are percentages that then corelate to a number score based on the scoring rubric. 99% = 225 and 67% = 152. Total for test is 377. The other half of your total score would be your grades. Hope this helps.
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Let me answer your question related to LTAC here.
As far as I know (my son was a LTAC student), not many LTAC students even took the high school admission test (or taking it seriously). So the number of students from LTAC giving up their seats in North Side or Payton is low. Those who got admitted did go there. I am not sure about Whitney Young but I know one student from WY didn’t take the seat in Payton.
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I didn’t know you can opt out for CPS HSAT. I thought CPS students, which includes AC students, take the exam during school hour all together. So, if you are sure you will not apply to SEHS (because you want to stay in your school for AC students, and for other reasons for non AC CPS students), you can opt out and not take the exam?
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No, it doesn’t mean you failed. Percentiles are a little different from percentages. Instead of directly telling how well you did on the test, these results tell you approximately how well you did compared to other (often theoretical) students if they also took the test. You did better than 67% of them in math. I hope that makes sense.
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How can the tests be scored based upon what kids on a national level can do when only Chicago Kids take the test? The score you get is based a percentile of APPLICANTS scores. The math part was way harder this year, on good authority. So you are wrong about the test being. Please explain in detail how CPS comes up with creating a percentile score based on “how well you did compared to other (often theoretical) students if they also took the test.” When I took the Law School Admissions test I scored in the 97th percentile and that meant I scored better than 97 percent of ALL folks who took the test. You are completely wrong. If not state the source of your data.
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I saw your google docs post of the CPS scoring rubric: “We determine the entrance exam points by multiplying the total national percentile rank by 2.2727 to get a maximum score of 225 so that English Language Arts (ELA) and Math together yield a maximum of 450 points. You can use the table below to determine your exam score.”
Look at the table they give:
2.2727 x 99 = 224.99 (round up to 225 which is the max you can get on the reading and also the math).
Likewise 2.2727 x 98 =222.72 (round up to 223).
The total national percentile rank does not mean some arbitrary score nationally but rather how nationally students are ranked (by percentage).
You cannot have be in a “national percentile” when the nation does not take the test.
Again, I have on good authority from someone who has access to the scores that the math portion was super hard so the total scores WILL be lower. This means if you have a 900, YOU ARE IN THE TOP 1% OF all applicants and YOU WILL get in to what ever school you want. Period.
If you do not believe me, then I will bet you 5 bucks right now. When the scores come out, I will send you my venmo so you can pay up 8th grade mom!
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I did some research on this last year. The information is almost nonexistent as to what the ‘national ranking’ really mean.
What I do know is that this percentage score is not based on ‘local ranking’. Regardless, if the ‘national ranking’ is accurate and consistent with the local student population, then the hardness of the test does not affect the percentage of students receiving 99% in both subjects. If last year is of any guide, 900 points does not mean much as far as Payton is concerned. Perfect scores in all 3 English sub categories are needed. Last year, 900 points is enough to get in Northside.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree, IlliniDad. CPS has said in the past that it is written and scored as nationally normed test. Its certainly incorrect to say a 900 guarantees you a spot anywhere, as some of last years tier 4 Payton hopefuls can attest. I know my child will get into their first choice and its very probable yours will, too. Best of luck and happy holidays.
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We have a score of 857.5, tier 4. Was so excited but now I feel like there won’t be many options. My child received a B in math – high school algebra for 7th graders (passed the algebra test) – but now it’s going to hurt chances of getting in anywhere. What a system.
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@So Sad I know it’s hard but try not to fret. There are many, many awesome choice options. IB is a super option—my partner teaches college students & says their students who went through IB are well prepared for college. And other schools have promising programs too! Best of luck finding a good match for your child!
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Something hit me. To get a 900 you need to score in the 99th percentile 0n the test.
A 99/99 score means that it is only possible for less than 1 percent of all applicants to have scored higher.
My understanding is that Selective Enrollment schools take a percentage of applicants.
To say that LOTs of people will get a 900 or more people get 900 than last year is a false argument.
Even if MORE people take the test, Payton and other schools enrollment also has gone up. Payton for example had 200 more students last year than they did 5 years ago. Also the public school population in Chicago is on the decline.
This year if you score in the 99th percentile in the testing portion (irregardless of the amount of tests) & you have all As you are in the top 1 percent of all applicants. Period.
Last year if you score in the 99th percentile in the testing portion (irregardless of the amount of tests) & you have all As you are in the top 1 percent of all applicants. Period.
And every year if you score in the 99th percentile in the testing portion (irregardless of the amount of tests) & you have all As you are in the top 1 percent of all applicants. Period.
We are going to be fine. Of course this pep talk is as much for me as it is for anyone else.
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I think you’re incorrect in thinking they are scored against students who took THIS test THIS year instead of using a nationally normed scale of what an average student at a specific grade level in this country can do.
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I got a score of 870 (86/99) and I live in Tier 4. My 1st choice is Lane Tech. For choice I got a 580, my first choice is the Jones Pre-Law program. I’m right at the cut score for Lane according to last year and I’m over the cut score for Jones according to last year, but I am not in the boundary. How likely is it that I will get in these programs?
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From my understanding, for Jones CTE, they only make offers to those who are in-boundary because they have so many applicants who are in-boundary. It’s been like this the last few years.
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i think you are good 8th grader.
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Search up the chalk beat dot org’s article entitled “More Chicago students got into their high school programs of choice”
The article said that 15% of all applicants got their first choice. We are good.
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thanks for the info but i don’t think i’m part of that 15%. I looked at the trends for the cut scores through the last decade and it’s increasing. I’m sure it’ll increase this year which means I won’t make it i think.
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Also you can write the principle and still get in regardless. Believe in yourself buddy!
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Yes I’m greatly considering PD for Lane if my test scores do not make it.
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8th grader. Have you never heard Han Solo say, “Never tell me the odds.” If you think you wont make then you won’t. If you believe in yourself, you will be successful. If you don’t, you won’t. Irregardless of where you go to high school, if you believe in yourself you will have success. Search up the high school of Jeff Bezos (owner of Amazon and one of the richest people in the world) and it does not even crack the top 600 high schools. Robert Frost wrote, “Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.” I am a lawyer who went to law school on scholarship and my high school was terrible. Keep up the good work. Also the richest lawyers in America got mostly Cs in law school. Its true, search it up.
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i have no idea who Han Solo is but thanks for the wisdom ILLINIDad, I wish you the best.
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For those of you kids on here. Do not be discouraged by “its too hard talk”
If you get discouraged and do not apply that helps the parents on here. I am not coming back to this site. Its why I am not on social media
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Stay positive, 8th grader. You’ve worked hard and it will all work out in the end. Best of luck.
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Thank you
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I’ve seen my results and here’s what I got (Tier 2):
99 – ELA (225)
90 – Math (205)
All A’s (450)
My total score is 880 and I plan to go to Northside, however, my score is unbalanced, meaning I’ll lose the majority of tie-breakers against other 880’s along with the fact that I’m unsure of the amount of kids in tier 2 with an 880 and above who wanna go to Northside. I’m also unsure of how SEHS will choose the amount of students (percentage-wise) that can go to their school depending on tier. Clarification for if I can make it to Northside would be very much appreciated.-
Only time will tell but I think you’ll get good news, kiddo. Best of luck!
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Any idea when the kids who took the test on 11/12 and 11/13 will get their results?
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Wondering the same. Anyone who tested on Nov 12 or 13 got the score yet?
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I tested November 13th and haven’t gotten my score back. I took the test on paper so I’m not sure if that made a difference, but hoping for the best.
Most people at my school have gotten their scores back, with a small number of people who haven’t?
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Tier 3 -880
We weren’t even considering selective enrollment, was ready to fork over expensive catholic school tuition, now it seems like a smart idea to research possible public school options.
lane? Whitney? We live in edgewater/ rogers park area
Very sad we missed all the in-person open houses.
any thoughts or opinions on lane vs whitney? Does ranking matter?
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Which Catholic school were you thinking and why? We are the opposite. We were only focusing on CPS selective hs but now we’re considering privates schools as we hear that selective schools can become overly competitive academically. I hear that too competitive school might not be the best school if you consider college admission.
To answer your question, all cps selective schools are great, I heard. It really comes down to which is the best fit for YOUR child. Every school has different vibes and emphasis.
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Lane and Whitney have little difference in academic performance. Ranking is based on the entire student population. Lane is twice as big as Whitney which is twice as big as Payton and North side. The variance is quite large. Top students in these schools all do well college wise. Also, getting in college is one thing, finishing it with good performance is another. Find suitable school and program is important.
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Although the tours were informative, the school websites offer a plethora of useful material to help make a ranking selection. Using last years selective enrollment cut scores, your students tier 3 score of 880 was almost good enough for the top two schools in Chicago (Northside College Prep 884 and Payton 880). Lane and Young are also excellent choices with the 880 being well above the cut score. Time will tell what the cut scores will be for the upcoming year, but it sounds like you have very good options. Lane is up north and Young is near west side of the city. We are in the Garfield Ridge neighborhood (midway area) also tier 3 / 889 and my sons top choice is Lane. It’ll be a long drive daily if he can get in, but we will make it work. Application deadline is 12/2 @ 5pm.
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You are incorrect with last year’s cut off scores. Payton for Tier 3 was 887, not 880.
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Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, just checked the 2022-2023 once more and I see 880 as the minimum point total for tier 3. I hope I’m reading this info correctly. I definitely would not want to pass along incorrect info.
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Payton for Tier 3 was 887, which makes sense. Payton has the highest cut off scores, higher than Northside or WY.
Here’s the link to cut off scores 2022.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rHkqLClX76NLOXv3O65WiL9xY1UJla6b/view
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I do agree that it makes sense that Payton should have the higher cut score, I just see something different than your link on the go.CPS website when I visit. The good thing is, the original poster has some great options.
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As food for thought, the red line would get you right to Jones’ front door. We love us an easy commute over here.
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We didn’t think selective enrollment was even an option because he’s NEVER studied and is still very immature.
We were really only thinking private because his father and I both went to catholic high schools (ignatius/loyola).The private schools we considered were loyola, depaul, trinity, notre dame and waldorf. His shadow day at loyola was such a disaster with a toxic culture of bullying & hazing . It was so bad that admin reached out by phone and email to apologize. He told me tonight that he’d prefer to stay in CPS .Any thoughts on lincoln park or taft ib? We more way more concerned with the schools vibes vs academics.-
Also visited LPHS a week or so ago. The vibe was awesome. Great academics as well. They do have another in person informational session 11/30. Although it is for their IB program.
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@“Overwhelmed”:
I am so sorry to hear about what happened at Loyola. That is terrible and unacceptable!! Our good family friend’s child went to Loyola (in Wilmette, right?) and had a great time there, so I’m surprised to hear the story. I was also considering Loyola, so if you don’t mind, I’d like to hear more about what happened. (Or we could continue our conversation at Private School Forum, not here?)
I don’t quite understand what you mean by your child being “immature”, but if safe, non-toxic environment is something you prioritize, I would stick with private schools rather than CPS. Kids are kids. There will always be some kids who are mean and stepping over the line. What you want to see is how the school responds when something happens. Honestly, I feel like public school has a limit on what they can do. It’s more of bureaucracy, especially in a huge district like CPS. Also, selective enrollment high schools can get very competitive academically.
My child needs extra social emotional support, so we’re looking at private school options. I read about horrible bullying and law suit going on in Latin. Sigh… it’s a hard decision!
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Does the order I choose to list the selective enrollments effect acceptance? Should I put the school I’m well above the cut score for 1st or try for one of the other ones? I don’t know if I should play it safe or chance it?!
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You should rank them in the order you like them.
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Yes, rank them in the order of your preference! The system will put you as close to the top of your list as it can, so put them in order from dream school on down to back ups! Keep an open mind and you won’t get penalized in any way for taking a “chance”. Good luck!
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Wasn’t expecting it but Tier 3 and got 889. I loved Jones open house but worried about homework load. Is it worse than other schools? I have a brother at Senn and homework is not bad. Will I get into Jones? Which others are good?
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Hi. To chi8thgrader regarding Jones homework load:
I have twins at Jones, and homework load has not been an issue at all. I’d rate it at light to medium. One plus, Jones is on a block schedule, and often there is time to do the work during the school day (per my kids).
FYI- loving Jones in this household!
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I noted Jones does block scheduling which is great. I believe all the selective enrollment HSs are on a block schedule with the exception of Lane (due to size), can anyone confirm if this is the case? Thanks!
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Can you share a favorite and/or least favorite thing you or your kids have about Jones? Or any insight really that isn’t necessarily gained by the glimpse we get as applicants? Looking to learn as much as we can. 🙂
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My child loves the atmosphere at Jones, which I would describe as relaxed in comparison with other SEHS. This does not mean they don’t work, it rather means that they do not focus on competing with their classmates. My sense was that at WY, where we could have gone, that was an issue. Also, too much focus on sports there for us. My child is self-motivated and loves that they can do their homework during some of the assigned lab hours (3 hours per week, I think — they can do what they want, but my kid finishes most of the work there). What else: liberal education, pretty woke, we like that.
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How do your kids do with the 7 story building? I feel like no one talks about all those stairs! I clearly remember the struggle of my own sophomore class when homerooms were a mere 4 floors up but my thoughts (hope!) are that as materials and assignments have moved online, backpacks aren’t as heavy now as they were. Is this something your kids ever talk about?
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The stairs were only an issue before my child started (everyone joked about them). My child has all classes on day A in one building, and all classes on day B in the other — I don’t know if that is always the case, but it is not THAT much running around. The locker is far, so my kid does not use it much. These kids sit all day, stairs are good exercise. Haven’t heard a complaint since kid started. I am glad they have the stairs, to be honest, and if there is a n actual mobility issue, they are allowed to use the elevator.
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If my daughter scored 97 ELA, 94 in Math and has all A’s with a 4.0 grade point average what is her score? We are tier 4
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220(97)+214(94)=434
434+450= 884
Your daughter’s total score is 884.
According to last year’s cut offs (based on tier4), that score will get your daughter into WY and LaneTech. This year, there may be a slight increase in cut offs though.
She did great job! Good luck!
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wwi got a 82/99 on hsat can i get into lane tech? im in tier 2
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all a’s too btw
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To 8th grade mom- what we like about jones:
Our experience has been that it is a mix of strong academics (but not intense with heavy homework load), varied extracurricular opportunities, and competitive sports. We also like the size of it. My kids liked the downtown location. I would definitely recommend anyone considering it to test out the commute before accepting a spot. My kids elementary school was four blocks from home and they walked to elementary school every day. So the el commute was new for them but they had been taking the bus out of our neighborhood since 6th grade, going to different neighborhoods, etc. We had heard it was not a very social school but that has not been the case for my kids. They have made lots of friends. I am sure others may have other opinions, but this has been our experience.
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To 8th grader,
Congrats on your scores/grades.
82=186 99=225
all a’s =450
Total Score is 861.
Last year Tier 2 minimum for Lane was 816.
You will likely get in. Good Luck!
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what selective enrollment schools can i get into with 861 points (tier 2)
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does anyone know if the homework at lane tech is a lot?
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The amount of work my child at Lane has received is reasonable and no homework is assigned over breaks. This will depend on the classes you take anywhere of course.
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If those who have kids already at Lane, Payton or Jones could weigh in on those schools in the forum topic below, I would be so grateful!
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I don’t know anything about Jones but Lane seems to be very well organized, a lot of homework assignments (at least in academic center), and very large student body so expect a lot of traffic in the morning (watch out for the speed camera and red light camera — got us many times — damn you city hall). The graduation ceremony is beautiful. You won’t believe how nice it is to have very large green space around the campus in that kind of setting.
The point is Lane is so big, if your kid is good at certain things, she will find suitable class/club for her. The fact that Lane still hasn’t changed its principal is a fantastic news. It is super easy to lose job nowadays.
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About Payton, it is very nice school in terms of facilities and student body. The teachers are good (that is what I heard before but not recently). The new principal seems a little underwhelming. I heard that a dozen or so teachers left abruptly when the semester starts leaving many classes without teachers. The principal stayed silent until many parents start to ask questions, which she responded in the last page of a multiple page newsletter. Hopefully, the situation will stabilize soon. All in all, tough school demands rigor, The tier system lets in underqualified students competing with peers in the same setting, which is not conducive to learning. You can imagine how this will turn out. Teachers will give bad grades to poor performers, who will complain to say that it is not fair, which will escalade to certain principal getting fired, which lead to teachers quitting, which lead to everyone getting A even though none deserves, which lead to the school performance in standardized tests going down the tubes. I hope the new principal is stronger than she appears initially and will enforce rigorous academic standards.
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Thank you for this great insight regarding tiers and student performance at Payton, but it applies to all selective enrolment schools in Chicago. Unfortunately the way the cps wants to improve the HS selective enrolment admission system will make things worse
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Has any non CPS student received their HSAT score? We are still waiting to receive any communication from CPS about my kid’s score.
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We also have not received test scores for my non-CPS son, he tested on 11/13, wondering when they will be issued?
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Thank you for sharing. Hope we get it early next week.
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The application deadline got pushed a week out. Wondering what this means for availability of test scores for non CPS students. Waiting for ours as well. When do these typically come out every year?
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My son is non-CPS and we got his scores yesterday.
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Daughter has all A’s from 7th grade; 98 in Math, 99 in ELA = 450 + 448 = 898. Tier 4 school, Tier 4 neighborhood. I know that Payton had historically had 900 as the their cutoff score for Tier 4 schools and Tier 4 neighborhoods. I heard unofficial information that the overall scores are actually slightly lower this year (district-wide), so not sure if Payton will adjust for this?
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Meant *most likely to accept* with 898 total.
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You can look at last year’s cut-off scores to get a feel but you never know. Rank the schools in the order you want your child to attend. Your child will get into one of the top 4 for sure.
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Schools don’t decide their own cut scores. They decide how many offers to make, and then applicants are ranked in descending point order. The system works its way down the list until the designated number of offers has been made. The “cut score” is really just the score of the lowest-ranked student who received an offer. If there are fewer 900s this year then there were last year, and/or if Payton is less sought-after by Tier 4 students than it has been in previous years, then it’s possible that an 898 could be enough. There’s no way to know until selections are actually run, though.
If it’s your first choice, you should rank it first. I’d consider it a long shot based on last year’s scores, but certainly not outside of the realm of possibility.
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Curious on the ‘unofficial’ information that actual scores are slightly lower this year than last – is this just parent word of mouth or did this come from personnel within CPS?
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This unofficial information was from someone within CPS. Please note that not all test-takers’ (non -CPS) scores have been released yet.
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Thank you! Definitely difficult to try and decide how to rank, so I appreciate this additional context (understanding that we won’t fully know until this years cut scores are finalized).
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I have a 3.75 GPA and a test score of 785.5 on the test (79 in ELA/85 in math)
My choices in school are Choice: Jones CTE pre-law| Kenwood magnet| Kenwood Gen-ed SE: WY|Jones|King College Prep (King is more of a safe school choice not really trying to go there)
I live in a tier 1 area near the south loop which is very close proximity to Jones.
Can someone please tell me what are my best options and what could I do to get into WY?
For the PD I do no sports but I have a good standing around my school with extracurricular activities. My behavior is good most of the time but I do not know if that plays into the choice schools could have on me. I have never been suspended or been in any sort of heavy trouble just parent calls home.
Thank You -AA.<3
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rHkqLClX76NLOXv3O65WiL9xY1UJla6b/view
8th Kid.>3, the link provided has last year’s cutoff scores. Please keep in mind that this year’s cutoff scores may differ. Hope that this helps and good luck!
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Non-CPS scores were just released. My daughter scored 97/99 + all As = 894. She has her heart set on Whitney. This might be a silly question, but what is the “max” score in the cutoff score rubric? For Whitney, tier 4, it says 891. Does that mean they didn’t admit any tier 4 students with scores above 891 last year? Thank you!
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@amb, my kiddo also got the same scores but I calculate 97/99/all-As to come to 895. Hopefully that’s right for both our kids!
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Yes, you’re correct! I did very quick math and rounded decimals down. 895.4473 to be exact 🙂 Congrats to your child!
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Thanks, @amb—I will check my math. Good thing it wasn’t me taking the test, lol!
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Just checked the goCPS rubric & no need for decimals I think. It’s just 220 + 225 + 450 = 895
Hoping that’s right! I think I’m filling the rubric correctly.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1enfNw17AWpPrLmHsjJe3Qg6ugtCX-9ka/view?usp=drivesdk
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Any tier4 student with higher score than “max” was admitted by rank. Welcome to Whitney!
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Ah thank you! I missed the “rank” row on the cut grid.
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So we got the result for my son is 99/99/ Tier 4. He wants to go to Payton. Someone had mentioned to us that he may still not get Payton if too many have this score. If so how will this be decided.
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They’ll use tie breakers: first math, second ELA.
Tie breaker guide: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-qWsDpz-xEfADT1moZahaeJ2GSjRazZm/view
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But anyone with a 99/99 has maxed math so it comes down to individual components of verbal apparently. Quite a few verbal 99s are not 99 across all components. Raw scores are not compared, at least historically.
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I have two questions about tie-breakers for all those Tier 4 kids with 900 points (even after reading the CPS tie break guide):
– CPS uses the math score first. Obviously all those kids with 900 have a 99% on math. But I do believe they may have different actual scores on the test: some scored a 39/40 and some a 40/40, maybe even 38/40 got you into the 99% percentile. Does CPS use this more detailed score to rank? Or just the 99%? If they use the detailed score — do students/parents ever get access to that more detailed score?
– After math, they go on to Reading Comp sub score… will these sub-scores be posted to GoCPS? Anyone hear a timeline for that?Thanks!
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They compare percentiles only not raw scores. School counselors may already have break down between verbal component which are essentially tie breakers.
The reason math starts first is not every tie breaker is between a 99/99 kid. But among 99/99 math is irrelevant so comes down to verbal in descending order. As far as everyone has said, raw scores have never been compared. But I guess there is a first time for everything.
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I too believe that. May be I am reading in between line kinda. here but I started to think may be they do compare the raw score as the document on tie breaker uses ‘%’ sign for stating the comparison.
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Not sure if I understand, you are saying that 99% math means no mistakes at all in the math section?
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You are right, if tie-breakers apply between 2 students with 900 score in Tier 4, the one with less questions wrong in the math section will take the spot.
Regarding ELA more detailed scores, this is what we got from cps: “The ELA score consists of 3 sections of the exam – Vocabulary, Reading Comprehension, and Language Arts. These subscores will be viewable in the GoCPS application at a later date. The Math score is from the one math section”. I think we’ll get them when they’ll release the cut-scores, in spring.
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Thanks — this is so helpful. Sounds like we won’t ever hear what our kids’ math score is (XX/40)?
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I don’t think so.
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can we expect to see the breakdown of the ELA scores at some point before the final D day?
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I took a look at this as I was curious myself – I don’t think raw scores are considered in the sense described above. It’s percentiles within ELA that determine tie breakers – reading, language then vocab. My understanding is that school counselors have the sub percentiles if you have a 99/99 and want to check.
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Scores posted for my child, Non CPS.
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My niece has 789 point, Tier 3.
She’s set on W. Young but the cutoff score is 859 for T3. Is the wasting her change of getting into another HS that she has the points for? eg. Lindblom. I feel so sad that she got these scores, she has all A’s but didn’t do well in the test. She really liked Young and I’m trying to give her some advice. TY!
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She can apply for up to 6 SEHS, so why doesn’t she just rank Young 1st and include something that’s more likely to be within reach (i.e. Lindblom, Brooks, Westinghouse)? If she’d like to try for a school through PD, it’s usually advised that you rank that school 1st. She could also throw in some IB programs on the Choice side, or whatever she’s interested in — Lincoln Park HS, Amundson, Back of the Yards HS, Curie, etc.
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I have to ask what the chances are for me getting into Lane Tech. I am applying for high school. I am in tier 2, and with my 99 for grades, 99 for reading (exam) and 56 for math (exam), I currently have 802 points. What is my likelyhood of getting into lane on 1st round picks?
Also, do 1st and 2nd round picks get released before or after the principal’s discretion window is open? Would it be possible for me to get in on 2nd round or principal’s discretion? Thanks – A stressed student
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The cutoff score last year for Lane Tech Tier 2 was 816. You’re close. The cutoff scores will likely change this year as they generally do not stay the same. It all depends on the students who apply to the schools and what their scores are. If you really want to go to Lane, you should put Lane as your #1 choice for Selective Enrollment.
Principal Discretion is after Round 1. There is no Round 2 for selective enrollment schools. Good Luck!
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So this is completely new to me and would love some insight
Daughter had As, 99 ELA, 68 Math
I believe she’s at 830 and though really disappointed in her math score was hoping for Jones. We’re Tier 4. Is the “cutoff score”, the minimum of that tier?
Our Principal seems to think she has a real shot with the Principal Discretion but are we fooling ourselves?
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The system splits the students into their tiers and gives the available seats to the students by decending score order. The cutoff is the score of the lowest-scoring person who was able to get a seat. It will not be the same exact value every year, it depends how well students do and which schools are most popular that year. I’m sorry to say that your student is very unlikely to secure a spot at Jones coming from tier 4. There is no harm in trying for PD, though it seems these spots typically go to students who have a great story or athletes who are going to bring championships to the school. I hope she finds a great fit wherever she ends up!
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My son has 893 points (99/96, straight As), Tier 4. His score is above last year’s minimum for WY, his first choice. I do realize cutoff scores and minimums may go up again this year.
It sounds like 900 isn’t a sure thing if your 1st choice is Payton or Northside — is that correct? I didn’t realize kids with 900 didn’t get into Payton last year. I suspect that contributed to a 10-point increase in the Tier 4 cutoff score at WY from class of 2021 (my older son, a WY sophomore) compared to class of 2022. I’ve only paid attention to trends at WY, but suspect the cutoffs went up at Lane and Jones, too, as the 900’s trickled down from Payton and Northside. It’s such a shame that I’m worried an 893 isn’t going to be enough for WY as cutoff scores go up.
Is 30% Rank applied on a per-school basis as well, where each SEHS divides the remaining seats equally among the tiers?
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No one with a 900 was turned away from Northside last year, but you’re correct that there were not enough seats for all the students with 900s who wanted Payton. My guess is your student will just fine but of course none of us can know until we know! Good luck!
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30% Rank does apply to all Selective Enrollment Schools before the remaining 70% is then split equally between the tiers.
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I am curious to know and hoping someone here may have some insight. Let’s pretend 25 kids are offered seats at Payton in the various tiers, but those kids decide not to accept the offer and go to private school instead. What happens to those seats? Are they available for PD? Since there’s not 2nd round at selective enrollments. Do the seats just remain open? Could someone call and ask for an open seat?
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I believe this year there will be waitlists for selective enrollment schools.
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Have you read something about waitlists for selective enrollment this year?
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I think I remember one or two people posting about getting a “waitlist” designation on their offer page for SEHS last year, if you’re curious enough to look back.
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Here is a link to the guide to waitlists: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VY_RGXqnandtBFMW0nFa0eJLNbGdd9vW/view?usp=sharing
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I understood there is a new waitlist procedure this year. Your kid will automatically be placed on a waitlist for any SEHS school they ranked ABOVE the school they were offered a slot at (but, NOT on those schools they ranked BELOW their offer). If a Tier 2 kid declines their spot, the school should offer a slot to the first kid on the Tier 2 waitlist. And so on for any other declining students, based on their Tier.
I’m not sure who gets offered a slot if a “Rank” kid declines.
I think PD spots are separate and the number available is not related to the initial allocation of spots.Some examples which may help you decide ultimate ranking:
– If you rank, say, Lane #1, WP #2 and Jones #3, and you are offered a spot at Lane, you will not be on the WP and Jones waitlists.
– If you rank, say, Jones #1, Lane #2, and WP #3, and you are offered a spot at Lane, you will be placed on the Jones waitlist, but not on the WP waitlist.-
No, if you get a Selective Enrollment offer, you will not be automatically placed on any waitlists. You’ll be able to add yourself to waitlists if you receive an offer but don’t accept it, but it won’t happen automatically. You won’t be allowed to be on any Selective Enrollment waitlists if you accept a Selective Enrollment offer.
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The problem here is that SEHS have an idea of how many students are likely to decline before they make offers. So if they have 300 seats and normally 10% decline, they’ll make around 330-335 offers. If 25 students decline, they’re still over capacity. Those 25 seats aren’t going to be offered to anyone.
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Thanks! So if I decline an offer hoping to get accepted from a waitlist, it’s a very risky move? What if I don’t get offered from waitlist, I might end up with no offers anywhere?
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Right, exactly. If you get a Choice offer you’re happy with, though, you could accept that while declining a SEHS offer from one of your lower-ranked schools to try your luck on more-preferred SEHS waitlists. Then you’d still be guaranteed a seat somewhere.
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Am I reading something wrong? It says “if you receive an offer to a selective enrollment program, you will NOT be placed on any of selective enrollment waitlists.”
You will be placed on waitlist for SEHS ONLY when you were declined from all of SEHS you applied for.
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You can manually add yourself to SEHS (or SEES) waitlists if you decline/don’t accept a Selective Enrollment offer. It won’t happen automatically, though.
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From the Selective Enrollment section of the waitlist guide: “Decline the offer received in order to join an existing waitlist.”
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There’s so much speculation on the following (see below) that it’s likely too soon to tell on cutoffs and waitlists:
- How all test takers performed (CPS and Non-CPS) which will impact cutoff scores. Anecdotally, HSAT test takers were slightly lower in performance this year than last.
- If a student has ranked a school as there top choice, but life circumstances deem it not possible for them to attend, a space would/could open up for a ‘waitlisted’ student.
- The other variable to consider is a scenario in which a student is accepted into a SE high school that wasn’t one of their top choices, but then requests Principal Discretion at another SE school and gets accepted, creating an open spot in the initial CPS offered SE high school.
There are many factors to consider between now and early Spring 2023. I think it’s wise to parse out speculation from what we know could be true based on last year’s available information.
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Hey, Mama here! My daughter got 90 for math and 89 for reading (857). We live in tier 2, What do you think is her chances are of getting into Lane?
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If cutoffs are similar to last year, her odds are great. Best of luck!
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Hey, Cathy here again🤣. One of my daughters friends got 99 for reading and 94 for math, she’s a tier 4. Do you think she has a chance of getting into Whitney?
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The best any of us can do is look at previous cutoff scores and speculate!
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So, today is the submission deadline and I am still not seeing my child’s score. Am I the only one?!?! Or anyone on the same boat as I am?
My child has sports practice and she’ll not be coming home until 6pm. The submission deadline is 5pm today. That means, even if they publish my child’s score today, my child cannot really have a deep conversation with their parents on how to rank strategically based on their score. We are submitting the application without knowing their score- which is not fair, compare to other students who had a couple of weeks to ponder upon.
Anyone else still waiting for their result??
(FYI, I spoke with CPS hotline, emailed CPS, and yes, they confirmed that they have not yet published my child’s score.)
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It must be absolutely frustrating/stressful to still be waiting for HSAT scores, but how would knowing the score affect your rankings? The only ranking strategy you should be using is to rank programs in your true order of preference.
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If you are expecting your child to get the 900 or close to that, I guess it doesn’t really matter. However, I have absolutely no idea what my child’s score would look like.
So, depending on how my child performed, some schools could be off the table to even consider. Then I won’t waste that spot and rank other schools among only 6 choices I can make.
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Yeah, from a program selection standpoint that makes sense. I guess I’m just too used to hearing from people who wouldn’t consider a SEHS outside of Payton, Northside, Young, Jones, or Lane. I guess in your situation, I’d rank my top five in order of preference, put my 6th as the program with the lowest past cut score (that I’d still accept), and have solid Choice options as backups. The Choice part should be easy since you get 20 choices there.
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So the advice from CPS to to rank the schools in the order that you truly want to attend. It doesn’t really make sense to rank them strategically based on score because according to CPS, if you don’t get into the first few ranked schools on your list, your child’s name goes into the hat for the next ranked school and then based on their score compared to others, they either make the cut or don’t
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The advice is not all that great since there is a limited number of schools one can put in the list. Since the parent has no idea what the score is, the rank is completely blind. If the score is too low to match any of the ranked schools, the student will lose opportunities.
Cps needs reform and needs transparency, auditing, and accountability. In the end, the cps CEO may just keep his job if he doesn’t make major mistakes but that is not the standard we should live with. We should demand better standard
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You can apply to 6 SEHS and there are only 11 total…that’s more than half…
Plus you get 20 Choice options
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@Non-CPS Try emailing this person at OAE. They are helpful.
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Thank you!
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Well, it’s finally out of our hands. Anyone else re-look at the page over and over today to make sure you did it right?!? I was so worried I even took a screenshot. I don’t trust CPS at all😆
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I did the same! 🙂 It is weird that the “review submitted applications” option is still there after 5 pm CST.
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Non CPS scored 900, tier 4. Now getting anxious about the sub category tie-breakers. Wish those were explained better!!!
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Got a 97/99 in the test, my score was 857.5 and I’m tier 1. Anyone know the chances of me being accepted to Whitney young
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Last year that would definitely have gotten you into Whitney Young in tier 1 (or 2), so I think very good chance.
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Does anyone know if a kid from tier 4 with 99 Math and 99 ELA (99 reading, 99 language and 95 vocabulary) got any chance at Payton?
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I’m sure some folks will weigh in, but no one can really give you much honest assurance one way or the other.
It depends on how well the kids overall did on the test this year, and how many of the highest-scoring kids put Peyton as their first choice. Your student would have a chance for sure, but we don’t know whether it will be like last year (not all 99/99 students getting in) or different (i.e., also room for some 99/98 students!).
Other factors we don’t know how to weigh–
CPS is shrinking! There are less 8th graders, so maybe a better shot for each kid?
I heard rumor that Payton is growing… so maybe more seats?-
thank you for your comments.
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I got a 857.5 out of 900 and I’m tier 2 wi can I get accepted into Whitney young?
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