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Math 99
Ela: 99
reading: 99
grammar: 99
vocabulary:98
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Tiers are out, subscores are out…. and yet we have to wait until March 24 for the offers. What in the world does CPS have left to do that takes seven weeks?
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Tier 4, I think we probably missed on Payton but let’s see 🙂
Math 99
Ela: 99
Reading: 99
Grammar: 99
Vocabulary:97
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Really? What makes you think that? Was everyone last year 99/99/99 in ELA?
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One of these discussion groups mentioned Payton for tier 4 should be all 99. Let’s see how things are this year. Maybe CPS should publish the subscore cut-offs to make it more transparent and set the right expectations.
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An email was sent today.
“High School offers will be released on Friday, March 24, 2023 after 5 pm. Elementary School offers will be released on Friday, April 21, 2023, after 5 pm. Families can log into their GoCPS accounts to see both their offer and waitlist status. A series of trainings will also be available for anyone who wants more information on the selection process or on navigating the GoCPS portal. Please see the schedule for trainings below.”
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is the order of tiebreaker math->reading->vocabulary->language art (grammar)?
what’s the chance for Payton or Northside if grammar is 96?
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Tiers in order are Math, Reading, Vocab and Lang Arts
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Are you T4 with a 900? If so, Northside would be an admit. T4 med score was 898 last year. Not sure about Payton. No one seems to know much about the subscore cut offs.
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what’s difference between rank and T4? T4 should contribute most to the rank (30%) since T4 kids have to be 900 to get in Payton anyway.
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Admission by “rank” means that 30% of seats are awarded to the highest scoring students (regardless of tiers), the remaining seats are then equally awarded by tiers 1-4.
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Tier 4, Kiddo got
Math & ELA- 99
ELA subscore: Reading 99 / Vocab 93 / Lang 99
Put Payton first, Northside second. Does anyone have any idea of the Payton subscore cut offs last year?
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Seems like Vocab will be the real tie breaker this year.
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Hi, my daughter is a high school applicant (9th grade) and got the following in the selective enrollment test:
Tier: 4
Maths: 99
ELA: 99
Reading: 97
Vocabulary: 99
Language: 99
Payton is our first choice. Would these scores be good enough for Payton. Thanks!
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If your sub scores are all 99 does it mean a perfect score?
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It means you got the highest possible score and ranked in the 99th percentile in each of the three sub-sections. It does not mean that you answered all the questions correctly, necessarily.
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If your sub scores are all 99, if you live in Tier 4, can you get into Walter Payton (first choice)?
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I think so.
The percentile score should make sense only if the # of students with all 99% in all subcategories will be less than the # of seats available to Payton.
If Payton admits 300 each year, the max # of seats given to rank and tier 4 would be (30% + 23%) * 300 = 159.
The question is, of course, how many test takers have four 99% and ranked Payton first.
You will be surprised by how many students don’t want to go to Payton.
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It is not 4 x 99 scores but a 900 score (99 score x2 + all A grades in 7th grade), and high raw scores in this order: math, reading, vocabulary, the other one.
900 scorers will be ranked by the math raw score (a percentage) for the first tie-breaker, then moving down, the reading test percentage. Most tiebreakers will be resolved using the math.
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Hello, I am a student from CPS in tier 4. For ELA & Math I got a 99 99, and for sub scores I got:
reading – 99, vocab – 98, & language – 99
I put Payton first and Jones second. Would these scores be good enough for either?
Thank you
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if this year is similar to last year e.g. you need near-perfect or perfect 900 to get into Payton and 891 (min point total for T4) to get into Jones, you should have no problem of getting into Jones. For Payton, you would be no.2 (tied) out of six known scores from this discussion thread. but nobody knows how representative this thread is because of the small sample size.
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Hello. I’m an 8th grade student in Tier 4. I got:
Math – 86ELA – 99
Reading, Vocab, and Language – all 99
How are my chances of getting into Lane?
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Hi Maisie –
Your score (on the 900 point scale) will also depend on your 7th grade grades. If you have A’s in the four main subjects you will have a total score of 450(grades)+195(math)+225 (ELA) = 870. Last year, Tier 4 students needed 871 points to get into Lane, however that was based on how students last year scored on the test, their grades, and how they ranked Lane (and other schools). So, I’d say there IS a chance that this year the cut-off will shift and you could be offered a spot at Lane. But it’s a small chance. If you’re very eager to go to Lane and aren’t offered a seat, you can consider applying for “Principal’s Discretion”.
If you have one or more “B” or “C” grades from 7th grade, I don’t think you’re likely to get into Lane.
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Maisie – I would think your chances are pretty good. Last year my daughter score 99 Ela and 88 math in Tier 4 and got into Lane. Your score is very similar. Good luck!!
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It is not the 99 subscores that matter but the individual raw scores. For math, all 99 score holders will be ordered according to the percentage they scored in the math exam.
With 2 students each with a 99 math score, one may have scored 81%, the other 83%. The 83% scorer wins the tiebreak. And so on, down the list. Only if math scores are identical is the first English score used.
This is my understanding. It is less likely vocabulary for example will be used to discriminate between a large number of candidates in the tiebreaks. Math is the first tiebreaker
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@Privileged Wail — Do you have anything official supporting your explanation about how they use tiebreakers (i.e. using the raw scores?). Or some insider knowledge? Or are you just guessing based on logic?
Others have explained here (quite confidently!) that raw scores are not used at all, and that just the math percentile and the ELA sub-scores are used… I have not seen anything official to support either case.
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Do we know anything about the number of kids with a 900 score this year, compared to previous years?
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Will they let us know the individual raw scores too? In previous years, was there an option to know the individual raw scores (percentage) as well? Thank you!
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My understanding from our school guidance counselor is that raw scores are not ever released to anyone — just the percentages. I also understood from her that these percentages are what are used for ranking students in the event of a tie, not the underlying raw scores…. but I’m not sure if she knew that with certainty, or if she was guessing.
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Thank you for the clarification. So any clue as to when the score percentage will be released? It’s not as same as the sub score percentile, right?
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I believe what you have now (your math percentile, your ELA percentile, and your three ELA sub-scores) is all the information you will get from CPS about your performance on this test!
All of those numbers are percentile ranks and aren’t actually “scores” on the test… but that’s all they release
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Thank you for the clarification.
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Here you go, from the CPS website
What happens if there is a tie in the total points for Selective Enrollment Schools?
In cases where students have an identical total point score, tiebreakers are used that consist of the individual exam percentiles on the CPS HS Admissions exam. In this manner, students with an identical score can be ranked from highest score to lowest score. For more information, please see the Tiebreaker guide on the HS Resource page.
Unfortunately the link explaining in more detail on the HS Resources page is broken currently. It previously had a graphic showing how the ranking worked based on the raw percentages in cases where candidates have an equal 900 score or both score the same for each of the components.
Ranking of equal-scoring candidates starts with the math percentage, only proceeding to reading to order candidates with equal math percentages, after that vocabulary and lastly the other one
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Yes, I’ve seen this before (but thank you for sharing it here). Unfortunately, the CPS material is vague on whether the “score” used for the tiebreaker is the percentile or the raw score. So, if two 8th graders have 900 points (so, 99/99 test scores), and the first tiebreaker is math, it’s not clear whether they call it a tie and move on to the ELA subscores, or look at whether one student had a higher raw test score on math than the other. I’ve heard a lot of opinions on this question, but not sure CPS has given any kind of official answer.
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I’ve found the Cps notes to be ambiguous on this too. Crazy to me that someone might score close to full marks on math and reading (99 on each) and still lose out if their vocab is a point lower than someone who scored lower percentages for across the board for their 99s
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From the conversations here, it looks like there are a lot of tier 4 kids with 900 scores. Wonder if there are 150 kids who scored 99 in sub-scores and put Payton as first choice.
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Wondering if there is more info on the subscores required for Payton this year. We are out of state and trying to figure out the big move. Any insights are much appreciated.
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The minimum score a student will need for Payton will depend on how the students performed on the test this year, and how many students of them ranked Payton first. The minimum scores for SEHS are only known after the fact, once all the students have been allocated to each school (starting with the top-scoring student and going down the list). So, all the information will come out all at once.
The way you asked your question suggests your child is in Tier 4 and has a 900 score… you may be aware that there is some ambiguity in how they break the tie for those students (whether they use raw scores or just the rounded percentile numbers) and in past years they have not released any information about what the sub-score cut-offs were or how the tie-breaking process went.
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Sorry for our ignorance. .Just learning a bit.. Our kid is tier 4 and scored 900. .Got accepted into Northside..
How do I look at the sub scores? it sounds like they were communicated a while ago? thx in advance
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Click “Student Details” under your student’s name on the main dashboard that comes up when you first login.
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